KTM SEM ignition

 

SEM ignition that fitted KTM400LC4 – 1996 to 2002

Flywheel and stator on right side of the bike.

right side
 

Oscillogram.

red charging coil = 200Vac
green pickup coil = +/-6Vac
black frame ground
yellow lighting coil
blue lighting coil

Cliquer sur les fils

yellow= 12Vac 12Vac green= pickup green= pickup red= charging coil red= charging coil red= charging coil

Click on wire to visualize the signal available on this wire, when the engine idles…

Pictures

Inside the stator

ZoomZoom

Thanks to Zoli Bihari

Stator.

Resistances map.

OHMs Red green black yellow blue
red 1777 1754
green 1777 23
black 1754 23
yellow 0,2
blue 0,2

Until 1998 pickup coil (green – black) was 23ohm. After it’s 165ohm.

Ignition coil

It’s not a simple coil! There are some electronics inside…

The “black box” is part of the coil:

red charging coil = 200Vac
green pickup coil = +/-6Vac
black frame ground
orange handelbar kill switch

Schematic.

Orange “BLACK BOX” from a KTM 620LC4 – 1997

 

Synchronization.

  • Pickup and Spark Signal at 1460RPM.
  • Pickup and Spark Signal at 2880RPM.
  • Pickup and Charge voltage at 1770RPM.
  • Pickup and Charge voltage at 2370RPM.

 

Notes.

LC4 kickstart Ignition coil with SEM before 1999
+ Pole – pole measurement
Coil red black 47k
red green 47k
red orange 0 Ohm
black ignition lead 2,0KOhm / + – 0.3K
Stator black red 1,7kOhm
black green 23Ohm + – 5 Ohm
red green 1,7kOhm
yellow / yellow blue 0,2Ohm
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LC4 kickstart Ignition coil with SEM (ignition coil) after 1998
+ Pole – pole measurement
Coil red black 47k
red green 47k
red orange 0 Ohm
black ignition lead 2,0KOhm / + – 0.3K
Stator black red 1,7kOhm
black green 165Ohm + – 20 Ohm
green red 1,7kOhm
yellow yellow 1Ohm
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LC4 electric start with KOKUSAN
Impulse transmitter coil red green 100ohm + -20%
Stator black / red red / white 12,7ohm + -20%
loading coil mass / yellow 0,65ohm + -20%
loading coil white / yellow 0,16ohm + -20%
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LC4 kickstart with KOKUSAN super comper 1999-2003
Impulse transmitter coil white green 60 -120ohm
stator red / black-yellow 0.45 – 0,56ohm
Stator black / red and red / black 0.45 – 0,56ohm
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Ignition coil KOKUSAN
Primary blue / white – mass 0,45 – 0,56ohm
secondary blue / white – zundkabel 0.45 – 0,56ohm
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27 thoughts on “KTM SEM ignition”

    1. I’ve some available, cause mine GS620 SC stopped sparking instantly. You can also look for a replacement from Electrexworld but KTMdealers don’t love it. Steve from MOTOPLAT: http://www.uk-motoplat.com/ 0044 (0)7516 350 134 repairs them for a fixed price of 185 GBP

  1. I’ve a KTM GS620 SC from 1996 with a kickstarter, it is a 4T . Who can give a suggestion or has already experience which CDI published on transmic.net is usable for this engine?

  2. buenas tardes. Me podrian ayudar con una bobina stator para una motocicleta KTM LC4 620, que este nueva
    para colombia
    Bogota

  3. Hello found the schematic to be a little outdated any chance you can help source more modern components?
    I am looking for an AC CDI for my KTM 620 (I think the ignition timing is either 36 or 38) will the AC CDI product you sell work for me?

    1. Hello,
      I would not say “outdated”, it’s not about Fashion !
      This schematic is the genuine one from KTM using techno from the 2000’s
      A processor is needed if you want to do fancy things but for triggering a SCR at 5 volts a diode do the job perfectly and in reliable manner.
      Furthermore there is no battery on most of offroad KTM,Maico,Husky as µproc need a stable power…

      AFAIK Your KTM620 can use a SEM ignition (AC-CDI) or Kokusan (DC-CDI)

  4. Hi there, great page thanks for this info.

    I have a 1996 KTM 620 with an SEM stator, getting no spark. After testing the resistance across the stator wires (all seem ok) i note that the black lead has continuity with the frame of the stator itself, and therefore the bike. Is that normal ?

    i don’t understand how that could be given that the kill switch effectively connects the black lead of the coil (through the orange) to earth to kill the motor.

    any ideas would be appreciated.

    1. Hi, thanks!
      Yes it’s normal, CDI is grounded to the frame through the black wire.
      No, the orange wire kill the engine by connecting the RED wire to ground, (not the black one)
      Disconnect the orange wire to check if you don’t have a permanent kill….
      Th

      1. ok cool sorry to be obtuse, but the cdi being grounded to the frame via the black means that the *stator being grounded to the frame via it’s ‘own’ metal body is normal. gonna try disconnecting the orange wire tonite.

        cheers

          1. ok i have a spark but it seems to my amateur eye that the spark is weak and / or intermittent. i am able to hold the sparking end of the plug against the frame and am only slightly uncomfortable with the shock, from memory it should give me a whack (i didn’t start by holding it in my fingers!). Up until now i have had intermittent probs including problems hot-starting, which i understand can point to a bad stator. Coil resistances are correct, plug lead and plug are ok. Gonna bite the bullet and replace the stator. I’ll let you know how it goes.

            cheers

  5. Hi again, sorry to abuse your hospitality but you clearly know more about this than me.. I read your message below late and when ahead and ordered a stator. it arrived and i’ve installed it, in my opinion the spark is better and importantly consistent when the plug is outside of the bike. however, i have a serious ‘kickback’ problem, which i guess is caused by bad (too advanced?) timing. The new stator does not have a timing mark on it, and the old one didn’t either so i have no idea how to time it ! even on the most ‘retarded’ setting it kicks back (i cant go back any further), never used to do that with the old stator. is that further indication that the cdi is faulty? i don’t have an oscilloscope btw. i appreciate any advice you might have,.

    1. It’s a SEM stator?
      I think that the 3 bolts are not aligned so it’s not possible to fix it the wrong way… Right?
      Have you at least compared your measurements on the CDI with the resistance map above ? Everything match?
      Without any measurements neither oscilloscope traces done before and after replacement it’s just a shot in the dark !

      1. sorry i should have been more explicit, i have measured the resistances of the cdi and they match your table above (SEM before 1999). You can potentially mount it 3 ways, by rotating it on the 3 holes, i have mounted it the way it appears in all the photos on the net (and the way i found the old one). after that there is a degree of movement to adjust the timing, because the holes are not circular. gonna get back out there tonite after finding some detailed pix on the net of the position of the marker, hoping its the same on mine. problem is this game is breaking my ankle !

          1. Hi again, sadly that’s not the case (i’m pretty sure), lookup in the pic on this page and you see that the inspection window is not correlated with the ‘poles’ of the stator, its kinda 5 o’clock if the pickup is noon. after playing in the garage there is only one way it can go, the way in your photo, and i’m not able to retard it enough for it to work… sigh.

          2. Well we can assume it’s fit the good way then!
            Seem you were right and the stator failed but the new one COULD be different and give too much voltage and the CDI trigger sooner…
            Try to add a 1K adjustable resistor in series with the GREEN/pickup input wire.

  6. Hi again, in my frustration i went ahead and bought a new cdi to go with the new stator.. ST5500L and CD5004. my thinking was that replacing the 2 together should eliminate any incompatibilities.. wrong. the kickback problem is still there. if i switch back to my old stator, the kickback problem goes away (with either cdi!), it can sometimes ‘just’ idle for ~10 s but then dies, the reason why i wanted to replace it in the first place. think i’m gonna try your idea of putting a 1k resistor on the pickup circuit to more closely emulate the original stator.

      1. hi again, i put an adjustable resister in series with the green pickup line. tried kicking it with the plug outside of the bike to see at what point the spark dies, for me i only needed to add about 30 ohms before it stopped sparking. wouldn’t start with the resister in place though. remove the resistor and it goes back to the kick-back behavior. i’m wondering if the company that supplied the stator mixed models, gonna ask them to send a replacement.

          1. Thierry: YOU ARE THE MAN !!!!! I put 3 diodes in parallel with each other, in series between the cdi and stator and… VROOM ! no kickback, everything works ! would you mind explaining what this means ? please send me an email so i can send you a couple of beers :)))

          2. Cool ! Thanks to consider buying me a beer! There is a Paypal Donate button on the left side of this page 😉
            Definitely this adaptable stator is somewhat different…
            follow-up on PM

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