CDI TESTER v4 and SCOPE

Design to simulate pickup at different RPM to test TCI, ACCDI, DCCDI, Tachometers, Power valves and ignition coils.
And to extract the advance curve from a Digital TCI or CDI.
 

Kit available for sale in the SHOP section.


PICKUP SIMULATION

  • Range 1000 to 24,000RPM in 24 steps.
  • Simulate a VR (Variable Reluctance AKA Pickup coil) with both polarities: Positive than Negative or the opposite.
  • Pickup “Position” relative to TDC is adjustable from 0 to 60 degrees BTDC.
  • Simulate a rotor spoke length that define the delay between first and second pulse.
    The “length” is adjustable from 0 to 45 degrees.
  • tab on rotor

    tab on rotor

 

PICKUP VOLTAGE.

The simulated pickup signal is 30Vpp (+15v and -15v) or can be reduced to 20Vpp (+10v -10v) with jumper N°2.

If the CDI/TCI pickup input is highly capacitive, use jumper N°1 (L for Load) to connect a pull down resistor on the circuit.


PICKUP POLARITY.

Jumpers ON:

 
3 + 4: 1st N then P
5 + 6: 1st P then N
4 + 5: 1st N then N
6 : P
4 : N


MEASURE ADVANCE TIMING.

The most advanced feature!

  • With the help of a Capacitive Probe hooked to the sparkplug wire, this tester can measure the time that goes by between transmitted pickup and received spark and display the advance timing of the TCI/CDI under test.
    To test ACCDI you will need an external High Voltage power supply (not provided).
  • During extraction, Advance timing is exported in CSV format on live via Serial USB at 115200-N-8-1
  • Detect RPM limiter
  • Can test Digital CDI/TCI (Electronic ignitions with processor inside.)
    Cannot test simple analog CDI like GY6 (They only use resistors and capacitors and the advance timing comes mainly from the voltage of the VR, not from inside those CDI.)
  • Better accuracy is reached when WIDth is set to “0“.


OSCILLOSCOPE.

Tester comes along with a simple but useful ONE WAY scope.

  • Display the pickup signal generated.
  • Display the sparkplug signal captured by the capacitive probe.
  • Can be used as a simple scope (BW: 1KHz.)
  • AC Input from 2Vac until 100Vac. AC only (no DC)
  • Scope display time per division
  • Automatic Frequency measurement.
  • RPM display.
  • Display can be frozen with HOLD button in order to analyze, take photo, etc….
  • A simple timebase is available to adjust Horizontal position from 0.8ms to 80ms/div
    (Zoom IN & OUT buttons)

  • Automatic Trigger to stabilize trace.
  • Persistence function to show random events or voltage/frequency changes.
  • Values display can be turned off.
  • Test pin puts out a 100Hz test square signal to test probe and scope.

  • Measure the Voltage of a signal.
  • View the scope on a PC.
    With the help of “Serial oscilloscope” software, connect the scope to a PC and enjoy a big display and more functionalities:
    (USB at 115200Kb, BandWidth:200Hz)

    Warning when applying high voltage:
    The PCB ground will be connected to the voltage!
    The board MUST be isolated (Use a plastic box)
    DON’T touch the input selectors when applying voltage!
    ALWAYS disconnect input BEFORE moving jumpers.


HIGH VOLTAGE.

AC-CDIs need a charging coil that provide 100 to 300Volts.
No HV source is provided with this Analyser.
You can use the main power toward a isolation transformer (See Wiring).
But keep in mind the main frequency will limit the RPM reachable by the ACCDI.
(50Hz = 3000rpm max, 60Hz = 3600rpm max)


DOWNLOAD

Parts list Check voltage. components placement. Connections for testing an ACCDI

PHOTOS


VIDEOS

  • How a pickup works?
  • Testing a Analog CDI (Not able to extract the advance timing as no proc inside.):

    Scope the Analog CDI v2.4:

    Why the tester shows: advance = -350°?
    Minus sign mean that spark appear ATDC (After TDC) So it’s no more advance but it’s retard.

    Extracting advance curve from a Digital CDI:


Versionning.

    • Version 4.0:
      • Initial release as an upgrade of CDI tester V3.
      • 1000 to 10,000rpm
      • Pickup position : 10 to 60deg BTDC
    • Version 4.1:
      • Upgrade : works from 1000 to 24,000rpm
      • Pickup position : 0 to 60deg BTDC
      • Export Advance timing in CSV
    • Version 4.2:
      • Divide power drain by 2. No more heatsink needed.
      • Change in CSV export.
      • Display advance in positive format.
    • Version 4.3:
      • Smaller pulses width at high rpm.
      • Increased accuracy.

12 thoughts on “CDI TESTER v4 and SCOPE”

      1. Today 2020/05/08 there is one Tester v4 available.
        Let me direct your attention that it’s not a full kit. ONLY the main parts are provided and you must add other componants (resistors, connectors, capacitors etc)

  1. You really did a great job Sir Thierry. I been a fan of yours since the day your website was up, and every time someone ask me about cdi, only your link and website is what I recommend for them to have a slight knowledge about CDI.

    I didn’t attempt to enhance my knowledge with it, since I no longer interested in motorcycling due to poor standard here in my country, laws, safety, discipline of riders. and others.

    I just want to congratulate your undying passion about cdi and hopefully soon you’ll have your own brand of CDI. Thank you.

  2. Bonjour

    Je souhaiterais construire un CDI pour un bicylindre 2 temps, j’ai pour idée d’utiliser votre AC-CDI V2.4 et de gérer l’avance avec une carte arduino (j’ai déjà presque finalisé le programme).

    J’aurais également été interessé par votre CDI tester V4 mais apparemment il ne monte qu’à 10000 rpm, j’ai deux impulsions par tour et j’aurais donc pour 12000 rpm, 24000 impulsions par minute. Peut-on paramétrer le testeur pour simuler ça ?
    sinon peut-on l’utiliser comme simple oscilloscope deux voies, auquel je connecterais mon capteur d’allumage et ma sortie arduino pour vérifier mon avance ?

    Francis

    1. Bonjour,
      Si vous simulez le pickup avec un Arduino le signal sera donc toujours positif. Vous pouvez alors utiliser l’ancien ACCDI v2.2 (en plus je brade les PCB) car vous n’aurez pas besoin des DIP Switches.

      J’ai regardé pour monter le CDI tester V4 à 24000 rpm, la génération du pickup fonctionne bien mais je me heurte a d’autres problèmes qui sont engendrés par cette augmentation.
      Cela m’oblige a faire des modifs de code bien plus profondes… Pour l’instant j’essaye mais je ne promet rien!

      C’est un oscillo UNE voie seulement (pin A0 de l’ESP) pas 2 voies. Je ne connais pas d’oscillo 2 voies très peu cher.
      Par contre vous pouvez ruser en faisant une porte “ET” et envoyer sur l’unique voie:
      – le signal de pickup a travers une diode.
      – plus un peu de parasites du spark en enroulant un câble autour du fil de bougie et en le reliant également a l’entrée de l’osc.
      Vous aurez les 2 signaux sur la même trace. C’est assez laborieux a faire mais je l’ai déjà fait a l’époque ou je n’avais pas d’oscillo 2 voies.

      Cordialement
      Th

      1. J’ai essayé de commander le testerV4 et 4 cartes PCB V2.2 (j’ai plusieurs projets) mais je suis limité à 2.
        Pour le tester si on peut monter à 20000 ce sera déjà suffisant,je ne suis pas pressé, je n’en ai pas besoin avant novembre.

        Cordialement

        Francis

        1. J’ai monté la limite de PCB a 4 temporairement (3 PCB et + dépassent le poids d’une lettre de 20g).
          J’avais la même demande d’upgrade du Testeur de CDI pour un 2temps j’ai donc bossé plein temps dessus et la version 4.1 disponible a partir de maintenant monte a 24.000rpm (trop de dégradation au-delà).
          Il y a également une fonction supplémentaire d’export des valeurs en CSV.
          Cdt
          Th

  3. buenas noches thierry buscando y buscando una solucion para mi moto acuatica de dos tiempos motor 800cc de 1996 su cdi o tci se averio y no consigo otro aca en peru y la verdad ya es mi ultima oportunidad en poder hacer funcionar esa moto quiciera encarecidamente que me ayudara a fabricar un cdi para mi moto que ya ace parada un par de años desde ya muchas gracias le envio el codigo 278-001-133 sea doo esperando su pronta respuesta.

    1. Hi Julio
      I’m honest with you: it will not be possible because you cannot communicate in English, wrote in the wrong page (tester instead of cdi), don’t know the type of ignition is on your engine, don’t give information on the engine…

      To build an ignition is VERY complicated and you don’t seem to be an electronic guy!
      No worries , I’m sure you are very good in other fields 🙂
      But to guide me, to program the ignition and to wire it you MUST have STRONG knowledge of electronic, mechanic, have measurement instruments: multimeter, oscilloscope… All the electronics tools an electronic expert has!
      You won’t find a direct replacement for 278-001-133 here, it’s a DIY (Do It Youself) website.
      Regards

      PS: it seem to be a DC-CDI

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